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	<title>Comments on: 9/11: Do you believe what you were told, or something else?</title>
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	<description>I&#039;m Rob Jones, I Exist and I Can Prove It</description>
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		<title>By: garbagemann1234</title>
		<link>http://brandnewatheist.com/2009/12/01/911-do-you-believe-what-you-were-told-or-something-else/comment-page-1/#comment-240</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;because we’re all born atheists.&quot;

It is good that you are thinking for yourself now, but always remember...just because we do not naturally inherit a religious worldview from birth does not mean that those worldviews are false. I hope your research of religion included a throrough, unbiased reading of their central foundations, which is scripture. If you have not investigated theism by reading the majority of both the Bible and Koran, you are doing a terrible injustice to your own human mind. These are the absolute bases of the most common worldviews of entire history. Do not shrug them off simply because they are &quot;unprovable&quot; and &quot;ancient.&quot; The antiquity of scripture adds to its reliability, coherence, and withstandingness, so that is a benefit rather than a detriment. In addition, clearly there is not, and can never be, proof of God&#039;s existence. If you had researched enough, you would realize that religions exist in light of their unprovability. They do not see this as a weakness, but rather their purpose for existing. The difference between religion and irreligion/anti-religion is that the latter often fails to accept the fact that the nonexistence of God has not been proven either. Yet the religious do not base their decision on this, since it would be an appeal to ignorance. If they did, they would accept their religion only because the works of Dawkins, Darwin, Harris, etc. are unprovable. Hopefully you have similaraly established your atheism independent of the unprovability of religion. Instead we should look at both sides and determine belief based on what side we accept, regardless of claims to proof. 

Now, if you assume that atheism can be proven (and naturally, that those religious have simply failed to seek out and recognize this proof) this would be quite a naive view of things. If atheism can be proven, how come religion has existed for some 2000+ years in light of it? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this is not your view.

The rantings of atheist blogs and what you can find on the internet in general does not count as &quot;research.&quot; You will eventually come to realize that the self-proclaimed &quot;freethinkers&quot; are hardly free at all, but rather the product of an individualist society that encourages elitism.

I hope you will also come to realize that the 9/11 truth movement, the inner workings of our government, the truth about who runs the world, and &quot;conspiracy&quot; theory in general all fit in line perfectly with the Christian worldview. Add one more to your list: www.infowars.com

Don&#039;t let what the media shows you about Christians determine your view of them. There are Christians out there (however few) that are tolerant of you. It is unfair to generalize. We do not threat you with damnation. We are glad you exist. We wish to engage in dialogue with you, for what good would it be to have no competing ideologies? I only hope you are openminded and educated enough to realize that WE exist.

Later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;because we’re all born atheists.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is good that you are thinking for yourself now, but always remember&#8230;just because we do not naturally inherit a religious worldview from birth does not mean that those worldviews are false. I hope your research of religion included a throrough, unbiased reading of their central foundations, which is scripture. If you have not investigated theism by reading the majority of both the Bible and Koran, you are doing a terrible injustice to your own human mind. These are the absolute bases of the most common worldviews of entire history. Do not shrug them off simply because they are &#8220;unprovable&#8221; and &#8220;ancient.&#8221; The antiquity of scripture adds to its reliability, coherence, and withstandingness, so that is a benefit rather than a detriment. In addition, clearly there is not, and can never be, proof of God&#8217;s existence. If you had researched enough, you would realize that religions exist in light of their unprovability. They do not see this as a weakness, but rather their purpose for existing. The difference between religion and irreligion/anti-religion is that the latter often fails to accept the fact that the nonexistence of God has not been proven either. Yet the religious do not base their decision on this, since it would be an appeal to ignorance. If they did, they would accept their religion only because the works of Dawkins, Darwin, Harris, etc. are unprovable. Hopefully you have similaraly established your atheism independent of the unprovability of religion. Instead we should look at both sides and determine belief based on what side we accept, regardless of claims to proof. </p>
<p>Now, if you assume that atheism can be proven (and naturally, that those religious have simply failed to seek out and recognize this proof) this would be quite a naive view of things. If atheism can be proven, how come religion has existed for some 2000+ years in light of it? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this is not your view.</p>
<p>The rantings of atheist blogs and what you can find on the internet in general does not count as &#8220;research.&#8221; You will eventually come to realize that the self-proclaimed &#8220;freethinkers&#8221; are hardly free at all, but rather the product of an individualist society that encourages elitism.</p>
<p>I hope you will also come to realize that the 9/11 truth movement, the inner workings of our government, the truth about who runs the world, and &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; theory in general all fit in line perfectly with the Christian worldview. Add one more to your list: <a href="http://www.infowars.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.infowars.com</a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let what the media shows you about Christians determine your view of them. There are Christians out there (however few) that are tolerant of you. It is unfair to generalize. We do not threat you with damnation. We are glad you exist. We wish to engage in dialogue with you, for what good would it be to have no competing ideologies? I only hope you are openminded and educated enough to realize that WE exist.</p>
<p>Later.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for sharing this Rob... I think you&#039;re wise to tell readers not to trust you, but to evaluate for themselves. Especially in a situation such as this - where the evidence is just abundant. 

I am certain that any intelligent person (***who is emotionally prepared to be objective) who watches the films you mentioned will at a minimum be convinced that Americans were lied to.  

-Julie (iamjulie)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for sharing this Rob&#8230; I think you&#8217;re wise to tell readers not to trust you, but to evaluate for themselves. Especially in a situation such as this &#8211; where the evidence is just abundant. </p>
<p>I am certain that any intelligent person (***who is emotionally prepared to be objective) who watches the films you mentioned will at a minimum be convinced that Americans were lied to.  </p>
<p>-Julie (iamjulie)</p>
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