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Incredible Creatures That Defy Evolution

I just finished watching this show that I thought was going to be about evolution when it was really about creationism. I knew it wasn’t going to be a science show when I realized it was on TBN. The show is hosted by David Hames and Dr. Jobe Martin.

Dr. Jobe Martin attempts to legitimize himself by saying he went to college for biology and was an agnostic and claims to have been an evolutionist. You can tell the direction the show is going by the way he discusses the Big Bang Theory. He discusses study he did against evolution that led him to believe in God but doesn’t indicate how long ago it was.

He regularly says that things had to be created whole because they wouldn’t work otherwise. He’s talking about “irreducible complexity”, and science had proven that something that doesn’t appear to be able to work when any part is missing will in fact serve a purpose.

Interestingly he repeatedly says “scientists don’t know” when it comes to how some things work, yet when he does have an answer it’s a scientific one. Unless of course he doesn’t have an answer and says “God did it”.

At one point he discusses that they are teaching things in school about evolution that are not accurate. There is some truth to this, however, it has more to do with the school system reprinting books with information that has changed than the teachings themselves. It would be as if schools still taught with a school book that said the Berlin wall was still standing, it’s not the Berlin wall’s fault the school is using an out of date book.

Dr. Jobe Martin can’t conceive that these animals evolved (natural selection) into what we see today over the period of millions of years given we have proof of just that. Yet he doesn’t have any problem believing in an invisible God that he only knows about from the translated text of a two thousand year old book.

I might be a Brand New Atheist but I am not a moron. I can see right through his apologetics. If you want me to believe in what your saying show me some proof, I don’t care how you feel. I would believe in God if there were any proof, as it stands right now, there is more proof for Bigfoot than God.

You don’t believe what the Bible says and I can prove it.

1. Do you believe the bat is a bird? No you don’t, you know it’s a mammal. Science one, bible zero.
2. Do you believe the Earth is flat? No you don’t, you know it’s round. Science two, bible zero.
3. Do you believe the Earth is the center of the solar system? No you don’t, you know the sun is. Science three, bible zero.

For you to truly believe the bible you need to believe that the Earth is flat. If you do not believe the Earth is flat then you deny the teachings of the bible. If there is a single error in the bible then any part can also be in error. If the bible were the word of god then he would have known the Earth is round and the bible would not state the contrary.

There is enormous amounts of evidence for evolution. Why, if your bible is wrong about so many things do you not believe the same science that tells you about evolution?

This is how religion retards intelligence, it forces you to deny evidence.

Building upon a bad idea and Fractal Wrongness.

Fractal Wrongness is defined as your idea as a whole is wrong and also equally wrong at any resolution.

What I’m trying to say is that if you build your entire knowledge base of any given topic on one idea that’s wrong, then all of your proceeding conclusions on that topic will also be wrong. For instance, if you believe in bible then you can’t believe in evolution. If you believe in the bible then you must also believe the Earth is flat.

The Theory of Evolution is a scientific fact. Yet your belief in the bible (your foundation) is wrong therefore making your conclusion about evolution to also be wrong.
Religion has retarded your intelligence about evolution.

The Theory of Gravity is a scientific fact. Since this theory doesn’t cause some type of conflict with your religion you will accept the scientific answer as fact.
Science has made you smarter about gravity.

The Atomic Theory is a scientific fact. Since you probably don’t even know what this is you will accept the scientific answer as fact.
Science has made you smarter about atoms.

The Cell Theory is a scientific fact. Since this theory doesn’t cause some type of conflict with your religion you will accept the scientific answer as fact.
Science has made you smarter about cells.

The Theory of Heliocentrism is a scientific fact. This theory goes against the teachings of the Bible yet you accept the scientific answer as fact.
Science has made you smarter about the sun, in spite of your bible.

At the top and bottom of the list we have theories that conflict with your belief in the bible, yet you don’t believe the first one and you do believe the last one.

Can you come up with a logical reason that your own beliefs aren’t consistent? You shouldn’t believe either because of your bible. This is what religions do, it makes people stupid. Religions makes you stupid in the face of proof and evidence. At one time they taught in schools that the Earth was flat and the center of the Solar System, thanks to science you don’t believe that.

Religions and your bible retard intelligence because it makes you abandon evidence.

What do all of these theories have in common, proof evidence, testability and they are all scientific facts

God must be angry with me, he shook me awake this morning.

This morning I was sleeping when all of the sudden I woke to my house shaking. My first thought was my wife was washing something and the washing machine was off balance during the spin cycle, only the vibration was about 4 times that. When I sat up to understand what was happening the house had been shaking for about 15 seconds, then all of the sudden it got about 10 times worse. I stood up and headed down stares with the house shaking and by the time I made it to the bottom of the stairs it was over.

Is God angry with me for being an atheist? What was God trying to tell me? Should I sacrifice a goat? What? These are questions you and I would have been asking ourselves 1000 years ago. This something that religious people don’t get, God was created by man to answer questions they couldn’t. Science has continued to answer every question the Gods were created to answer.

As it turns out this is the 21st century and we are all aware of what an earthquake is. The goats are safe.

My Birthday

This is my first birthday as an atheist.

Birthday #37. Honestly, no different than any other. One of my gifts was Rainbow 6 Vegas 2, good stuff.

Being an atheist hasn’t affected my birthday in any way.

The best answer I have ever heard about fairness.

Being the brand new atheist that I am, I sometimes hear an educated atheist say something that means more to me than anything I have ever heard a pastor say. This is one of those times. In response to a woman’s thoughts on cosmic justice he lays it on the table and dissects every single part. It takes that fairness christians think their getting and exposes it for what it really is.

Here’s the link to their podcast episode 7.7 Start listening from 48:16 thru 53:24. This part of the podcast is not explicit but many other parts are for those who care about that.

This is from The Non Prophets, one of my favorite new podcasts.

TRANSCRIPT
VCurious [wrote]: “I don’t want to live in a world where those with power impose their evil intent on the masses and not face any type of consequence. Without God people can easily escape human justice. I can’t buy into that.”

Matt Dillahunty [response]: The kind of world you *want* to live in has no bearing on what kind of world you *do* live in. If this is your principle objection to world-views that don’t include some cosmic justice then, if you’ll forgive the condescending remark, you really don’t understand what you’re talking about.

Life isn’t fair and the desire for justice that you express is one of the key foundations of most every religion. We’re all aware that sometimes good goes unrewarded and evil goes unpunished, so some justice-seekers invent a security blanket to ensure that they aren’t mired in depression. It allows them to avoid facing the harshness of an indifferent reality. Whether it’s heaven & hell or karma dictating infinite rebirths, it serves the same purpose.

Some of us prefer to actually face reality. Some of us realize that there is no good reason to believe that the universe is anything other than indifferent to our existence and our perceptions of good and evil. Some of us realize that dealing with reality on reality’s terms is the only way to make any real improvement in the situation.

Life isn’t fair and that’s actually comforting, if you think about it. If life *were* fair that would imply that you actually deserve the bad things that happen to you and that those who benefit from evil deeds are similarly deserving.

The realization that there’s no reason to expect justice is what ensures that we take steps to impose justice. The realization that good isn’t always rewarded is what drives us to reward it when we see it. The realization that evil isn’t always punished is what drives us to work together, as a cooperative society, to deal with our problems, collectively and individually, in a way that encourages real change and that, hopefully, minimizes harmful actions. Realizing that justice isn’t guaranteed allows us to appreciate it when it happens and work toward ensuring it on a more regular basis.

Your particular god-concept view of justice represents the height of irresponsibility and injustice. Your chosen religion has us born as reprobates, guilty before we’ve taken a single breath, responsible for things we’ve never done. It offers instant, undeserved, forgiveness for the most horrible of crimes and punishes people whose only “crime” is disbelief - forever. It advocates slavery, denigrates women, curses homosexuals, orders the stoning of unruly children, sanctions wars of extermination, condones human sacrifice and poisons every mind it touches. It includes only one unforgivable crime: disbelief. Is that just?

This “justice” you so admire, is no such thing. It is divine edict, arbitrary, capricious and ultimately unjust and immoral.

Yes, I realize that there “are pedophiles out there who have escaped our flawed justice system?” Do you realize that your system says that they’re all eligible for an eternal paradise? How does that address your objection? Under the rules of Christianity, the pedophile who escapes justice here can also escape your ultimate justice. Under the rules of Christianity, he may live forever in paradise while someone who spent their entire life doing good, helping others and contributing in a generally positive way to the one-and-only life we’re sure to get, is ultimately judged unworthy of that reward.

Don’t kid yourself. You haven’t accepted a cosmic sense of justice that alleviates the problem - you’ve accepted one that you believe alleviates the problem FOR YOU. It is a selfish justification that shows no regard for real matters of justice. It is the height of arrogance and your desire to feel special because “someone up there” thinks you’re special. Well, according to the paradigm you advocate, he thinks that *anyone* willing to worship him is special - with no regard for justice or character.

Go, read Romans. No one makes this point clearer than Paul. The “law” was established with full knowledge that no one would be able to fulfill it, it was established to demonstrate this inability and damn us further - and then a loophole was established to let some people through, regardless of their standing with the law.

Your religion has made you a slave. It has made you uncaring. It has made you support immorality and injustice while claiming that arbitrary edicts and loopholes count as either. It is a reprehensible lie that poisons the mind and prevents you from understanding reality.

When the scales drop away from your eyes, as they have for many of us…we’ll be here, and you’ll realize that you’re not alone and not to blame.

I can feel myself losing my patience.

Can you be considered rational and still believe in something that remains unproven and in many cases disproved? I don’t think you can. Once you’ve been shown that what you believe in is false you have two options, ignore them completely or do some serious homework. If no one has ever questioned your own personal beliefs to your face then you probably believe whatever you were taught as a child and took it as truth.

Sometimes I consider using the shock factor and saying something so outrageous about their God that they would seriously think he would strike me down where I stand. But I am 100% confident that long after they had that thought I would still be staring them in the face with a condescending look. Your God can’t touch me because he is imaginary, which means I can whatever I want to him or about him and nothing will ever happen to me. Here’s the kicker, so can you.

The reason I don’t use the shock factor is respect of the person, not their beliefs. I made a joke to my nephew that I had killed God and he could worship me now. He took that as a personal attack and asked that I refrain from such things, I doubt he would have felt the same if I made a similar comment about his choice for president, etc. I agree 100% with Richard Dawkins about people thinking that their religious beliefs are above criticism. Why do believers think their religion deserves a level of respect that puts it outside of criticism?

How powerful is your God?

Typical believers view God as something that watches over them, like a parent watching their kid through a window playing in the back yard. Most believers think God has a hand in their daily lives, helping them make the right choices. Almost all believers think God answers prayer, which is why they spend so must time praying. All believers think God made the universe, but they rarely consider the universe outside Earth’s atmosphere.

So what happens when I tell you that the universe is so big you can’t even understand it, you’re not able to comprehend it’s size? Does your mind play tricks on you and try to convince you that God is powerful enough control the universe? Do you make your God as powerful as he needs to be for you to believe in him? Let’s take for instance this image of the Omega Centauri. This is a tiny image through a tiny pinhole of the universe. And it contains hundred of thousands of stars. You can’t actually see the stars with your naked eye, but you can see the cluster of them which is Omega Centauri.

When scientists refer to the universe they use phrases like millions of billions of stars. Millions of Billions, not only can you not convince me of God here on Earth but take into account the Million of Billions of stars, those star’s planets and those planet’s moons and you don’t have a chance. There isn’t anything that made this, their isn’t anything controlling this and the universe will still be here when humans no longer exist.

Here’s the original article with higher quality images of Omega Centauri. Want to be reminded daily of just how small you really are?

April Fools Day

This is me first April Fools Day as an atheist.

I considered telling people I changed my mind about atheism after seeing Jesus but I honestly just didn’t want to say that.

I’ll do a lot for a joke but couldn’t bring myself to doing this just incase someone actually believed me.

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